# 26% of Americans support Obamacare, don’t know earth goes around sun

Associated Press has just reported that the Obamacare approval rating is 26%.

Last month, Time magazine reported that 26% of Americans don’t know that the earth goes around the sun.

March 28, 2014. Tags: , , . Health care, Politics, Science.

1. poetopoet replied:

California has spoken, the idiots.

2. Constitution Believer replied:

Does not surprise me one little bit.
I am surprised they even know where they are at.
Ask them to give your change back from a $100 bill and your purchase came to$99.00 they would be lost without that cash register giving you the proper change but short them on an ounce of coke and they know it before you can inhale.

3. hmichaelh replied:

HHHHHMMMMmmm! there does seem to be some relationship between the two statistics. I’m going to guess the communality is “Stupidity.”

4. Constitution Believer replied:

Just yesterday we were at Wal-Mart, the land of ignorance and stupidity, we were shopping. I needed something to get rid of the stink bugs in our home as they are terrible, where they are coming from I cannot say but for some reason they hibernated in our home this year. I asked the girl where the insecticides were. She looked at me like I was the dumbest thing since Obama, said I don’t know what that is, my wife, usually one to keep her mouth shut, piped up and said, “did you ever go to school” the girl blatantly exclaimed I did and I am going to Toledo University. I said your major must be stupidity, she got very upset started crying and went to the manager.
He came over told me I had to leave the store because of my language, the little bimbo said I was cussing at her, several other customers told the manager what happened. I still had to leave the store. I left well over \$300 worth of merchandise. Drove 35 miles to Sandusky and had a wonderful experience.
When we got home I called the main number and told them what happened.
I told the lady it is getting pretty damned bad when you have to go to a store filled with workers that have not a clue of what anything is UNLESS you show them a picture and THEN they still have no clue.
And for this some of the high school teachers are getting paid big bucks to teach these precious little darlings with the brain the size of a Kotex for a puissant.
My cats are more intelligent then some of these kids of today…hmm, that they are supposed to be our future….GOD HELP US ALL IF THAT IS THE CASE.

5. Richard G replied:

Truth be known, the theory of heliocentrism, i.e. the Earth revolving around the sun, has never been proved by empirical evidence. It is still a theory that really cannot be proved unless someone had some fantastic vantage point far above us all and could verify that the sun is in the center or if the Earth is. While I realize such a notion will strike many as crazy, one should realize that publishing a THEORY repeatedly and teaching it as truth over and over do not transform this theory into scientific fact. On the other topic, Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, he is not an American, he is an illegitimate occupant of the White House, he is a notorious liar and usurper of the presidency, he is an enemy of the United States.

• hmichaelh replied:

Richard G is a mystery guy. He seems to have the politics about the President absolutely correct, but leaves open some doubt about the Earth/Sun relationship. Dude, the earth and all the other planets revolve around the Sun. Here’s a little essay on the issue of that physical phenomena for you to consider. Notice the very definitive statement in the second sentence of the first paragraph:

“Once a planet is in orbit, what keeps it there?: Gravity pulls the Earth in, and centrifugal force holds it out. The centrifugal force on the Earth is just a result of the Earth moving in a curved path around the Sun. It doesn’t slow down because there isn’t any friction. After all, in space, there’s nothing to have friction with. Why exactly an orbit is stable involves a short romp in math town.

Gravitational force, Fg, is given by F_g = -\frac{GMm}{R^2}, where G is the gravitational constant (dictates how strong gravity is), M is the star’s mass, m is the planet’s mass, and R is the distance between the planet and star. It’s negative because it’s trying to decrease R. You can use this to find the gravitational potential, Ug, by taking the anti-derivative: U_g = -\frac{GMm}{R}. Force is the negative of the derivative of potential, which is fancy-speak for “stuff wants to fall downhill”.

Centrifugal force, Fc, is given by F_c = \frac{mv^2}{R}, where m and R are the same and v is the “tangential velocity” (how fast the planet is moving around the star, and not counting motion toward or away from the star). There’s a handy way to rewrite this in terms of angular momentum. Angular momentum, L, is always constant and (in this case) is given by L=mRv. Re-writing Fc in terms of L gives: F_c=\frac{m}{R}v^2=\frac{m}{R}\left(\frac{L}{mR}\right)^2=\frac{L^2}{mR^3}. You can use this to find the “centrifugal effective potential”, Uc. “Effective” is just a physicist’s way of saying “I know, I know; the centrifugal force isn’t a ‘real’ force. Just be cool for, like, two minutes.”. U_c=\frac{2L^2}{mR^2}

Looking at the total potential, U=Ug+Uc, it becomes clear why orbits can be stable. In order to picture forces better physicists will sometimes draw “potential diagrams”. A potential diagram is just an intuitive way of describing energy and, in turn, forces.”

Any questions?

• Richard G replied:

Sorry, but your scientific argument is based upon theories, not hard, empirical evidence. There are solid grounds to support the contention that the sun and planets revolve around the Earth. We have been brainwashed since youth to accept the theories that have become so commonly accepted that they are no longer questioned without fear of ridicule. Note the commonly held “fact” that all life on Earth evolved from primitive organisms first magically appearing hundreds of millions of years ago. Not a shred of proof. Ditto for the laughable notion of the “big bang.” Oswald didn’t kill Kennedy, Martin Luther King was a scoundrel, FDR knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked, we lost WW II in Europe–gave the sociopathic butcher Stalin half of the continent, and a great many atheistic scientists who live off government grants promote unproven and sometimes ludicrous theories (man-caused global warming anyone?) as established fact. Anything solidly backed by Big Brother should be viewed and questioned most carefully. BTW, don’t get a flu shot if you want to preserve your health.

• Constitution Believer replied:

Okaaaaaaaaaay oh great guru of knowledge, oh master of the universe where is YOUR evidence about how the earth revolves around you Oh great SOL.
Ok first lets blow the schitt out of your theory about the flu shots. I am going to be 71 this year. The doctor says I will probably live another 20 year…god forbid. My mother made sure that I got a flu shot starting in 1945. I was only two years old then, now they advise that kids that age not have one especially the strength that I had it. I have had a flu shot every year since then. I am still alive and kicking and am probably in better health than you are.
Now. I have been following this argument between you and Michael for several posts and can you please show me your “FACTS” on how the earth stays in its orbit when countless of scientists can prove you and your sources wrong every time. (this should prove to be an interesting debate).
I would also like to see your equations. And please bear in mind that I still dabble in advanced calculus and I believe just glancing at it is what Michael is using.
Now according to the dictionary
em·pir·i·cal
1. derived from or guided by experience or experiment.
2. depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine.
3. provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.
Now though you will feel that I just proved your point I feel that you, on the other hand cannot prove YOUR point.
And you cannot prove your point about the FLU VACCINE, so far I am living proof of your theory. OOPS sorry scratch the word theory, replace it with FACT.

• Richard G replied:

Sorry, I really don’t have the time to debate this further with you, especially as I clearly see you have a wise guy, irascible attitude. It is quite remarkable how you have such insight to my health, incidentally. Continue on your merry way.

• Constitution Believer replied:

That’s alright I knew you didn’t have the answers anyway.
Hmm, must be a liberal.

• hmichaelh replied:

BTW, you seem to denegrate the concept of the Theory. Here is a definition of the term so you can understand why it is widely accepted as truth. Truth, of course, is the next step up, but you have no truth. You don’t even have an Hypothesis….you just have an observation, which clearly is false:

“Theory is a group of ideas meant to explain a certain topic of science, such as a single or collection of fact(s), event(s), or phenomen(a)(on). Typically, a theory is developed through the use of contemplative and rational forms of abstract and generalized thinking. Furthermore, a theory is often based on general principles that are independent of the thing being explained. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works. The word has its roots in ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings. A theory is not the same as a hypothesis. A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory.

• Constitution Believer replied:

Michael, like most good democrats he will either say that he submitted it before or he will beat about the bush, no pun intended, because he does NOT have the answer.
Either way you are correct he has not supported his theory or “facts”.

6. Richard G replied:

To set the record straight: I do have the answers but you would not accept them. (BTW, if you really think centrifugal force is a factor governing the movements among the Earth, sun, and planets in the vast reaches of space, I don’t know what I could write that would influence you.) As for me being a liberal, once again you demonstrate your wise guy, jump to assumptions persona. I seek the truth and have found the most important aspect of it. Am I a know-it-all? Ha! The more I know, the more I don’t know. I view liberalism as a sin, as a stark departure from rational thinking. Regardless, there are more important things with which to be concerned, such as the dissolution of the fabric of our society and the relentless assault upon our nation from within. Soetoro the Puppet and the masters pulling his strings (and those of his wretched wife) daily bore into the foundations of our nation with revolting impunity. As things are now headed, our country is doomed. And I say that not as a pessimist, but as a realist.